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ronald reagan up here with the 7.2%. >> right. >> winning. you've got ford and carter and bush in '92 losing with almost the same unemployment rate. the democrats in 1952 losing with a 3% unemployment rate and we can go on. >> a lot of that also has to do with trend lines. obviously the top one with reagan from 10%, 11%. >> that's precisely the point. the previous chart, first chart on trends and it was a good predictor. second chart was level. >> okay. >> let's go to gdp growth. >> and by the way, that's difficult for the president because the unemployment rate exploded the first year or two under the president and then came down. >> that's difficult for the president? >> what i'm saying, i'm saying it's harder to predict about the trend lines for the president because when he came in, you know, we hadn't bottomed out yet. >> that's true. with reagan it went up and came back down. the problem with the president it's not coming down it's flatlining. the unemployment per se is flatlining and that's his problem. to gdp growth under obama has be
ronald reagan up here with the 7.2%. >> right. >> winning. you've got ford and carter and bush in '92 losing with almost the same unemployment rate. the democrats in 1952 losing with a 3% unemployment rate and we can go on. >> a lot of that also has to do with trend lines. obviously the top one with reagan from 10%, 11%. >> that's precisely the point. the previous chart, first chart on trends and it was a good predictor. second chart was level. >> okay. >>...
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ronald reagan. ronald reagan. ronald reagan. president reagan. >> gingrich exaggerates, dropping reagan's name 50 time bus in his diaries, gingrich mentioned reagan only once. reagan criticized gingrich saying "newt's's ideas would crime our defense program." reagan rejected newt's ideas on leadership and character and beginning vich no ronald reagan. restore our future is responsible for the content of this message. >> gingrich hit back against that super pac ad last night, arguing that he is more like reagan than is mitt romney. >> governor romney cannot defend his record, he can't defend his past, kent defend what he's done and so his goal is to somehow throw enough mud at me. and i think it's all gonna wash off because the american people are smart enough. i first met with ronald reagan in 1974, i campaigned with him in 1980, i helped him for eight years while he was president, i have made a movie about him, i have written a book about him. to suggest that governor romney is more reagan like than i am is an ac
ronald reagan. ronald reagan. ronald reagan. president reagan. >> gingrich exaggerates, dropping reagan's name 50 time bus in his diaries, gingrich mentioned reagan only once. reagan criticized gingrich saying "newt's's ideas would crime our defense program." reagan rejected newt's ideas on leadership and character and beginning vich no ronald reagan. restore our future is responsible for the content of this message. >> gingrich hit back against that super pac ad last...
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reagan. >> and ronald reagan who is a natural step in what we have always found in the country a democrat, lower case d, synthesis. >> and i'm surprised at jfk, because a martyred president whose assassination shaped the way a generation of historians and writers have looked at him as a fallen good president, and do you believe that jfk will farewell 50 years from now? >> yes. i base my opinion on evan's great treatment of his treatment of bobby kennedy, because when you think of the son of a president, an appeaser who is sittinaround in a room having the manhood and the courage challenged by generals over nuclear missiles and his having the courage to compromise and to make the deal he made to avoid what could have been a nuclear war in october of 1962, and yeah, you get on the mountain. >> so when is it going to matter how a president treats women? >> soon. [ laughter ] >> that is a weighted question by someone who would never put jfk or another certain president on there. >> because of the personal conduct? >> yes. >> and treating people who are in many ways far below him on a level of
reagan. >> and ronald reagan who is a natural step in what we have always found in the country a democrat, lower case d, synthesis. >> and i'm surprised at jfk, because a martyred president whose assassination shaped the way a generation of historians and writers have looked at him as a fallen good president, and do you believe that jfk will farewell 50 years from now? >> yes. i base my opinion on evan's great treatment of his treatment of bobby kennedy, because when you think...
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go back and read what the editorial board of "the new york times" wrote about ronald reagan. go back and read what main -- i mean, my god, seriously? if somebody decided to just write a book on slanderous quotes against ronald reagan throughout the 1980s by the people now saying, well, you know, he was a reasonable republican, that would be a fun book to read. >> but what do you think about that argument that, ronald reagan wouldn't recognize his own party? >> it's very simple. very, very simple. and we go back to father pat buchanan, who always -- >> mon-signore. >> and this is the way that -- i mean, you should look at it. he always talked about political athletes. barack obama was a great political athlete. hillary clinton, a great political athlete. in 2012, the conservatives were the clunkers. that didn't run the 4.3 40. they run the 7.4 40 while eating a big mac and smoking a cigarette. and mitt romney wasn't flashy, but the moderate this year had the best operation, was best in the debates, and was the best political athlete, which again is not saying a whole lot. but
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there was a bias in 1980 when ronald reagan won 41 states, in 1984 when ronald reagan won 84 states, i mean 49 states. there was a libial media bias in 1988 when george h.w. bush destroyed michael due caucus, in 2000 and 2004. get over it. >> peggy said it best. you've got to transcend it if you're a republican. >> compared to all of those other elections, there were -- there was nothing like the conservative media counterweight that there is now. >> right. >> so to the extent that there is some degree of liberal bias, in 1980, there was no fox news in 1980. there was no conservative blogosphere. >> talk radio. >> there was no talk radio. >> matt drudge. >> if anything, the world is much more -- if you look at the full spectrum of media, there's much more diversity and conservatives have plenty loud megaphone in our media environment today. >> and look at the conservatives over the past week, week and a half, that have said hey, there's a problem here. i said it on saturday. "the wall street journal" said it last sunday. laura ingram came out on monday, rush on tuesday, was talking -
there was a bias in 1980 when ronald reagan won 41 states, in 1984 when ronald reagan won 84 states, i mean 49 states. there was a libial media bias in 1988 when george h.w. bush destroyed michael due caucus, in 2000 and 2004. get over it. >> peggy said it best. you've got to transcend it if you're a republican. >> compared to all of those other elections, there were -- there was nothing like the conservative media counterweight that there is now. >> right. >> so to the...
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it's like ronald reagan. ronald reagan, yes, ronald reagan, grit debater, great communicator, but mike, you remember, everybody thought ronald reagan was crazy. jimmy carter had been saying he was going to blow up the world. ronald reagan just had to convince people that he was less like the mad hatter and more like grandpa. and the expectations were low. so romney's expectations are so low here that when he stands toe to toe with obama and beats him in a debate even by a little bit -- >> well, that's a strategy. lower the bar. >> -- then he wins. zmoo that's a whole new narrative for him. he's not going to get there. the clip we just showed of governor romney down in saras a sarasota, florida, basically saying the president just said washington can't be changed from within. we've got to get him out now. i just don't think people listen to that stuff. for the life of me, i don't understand why the governor and his campaign don't have one set speech basically saying here's how i'm going to put this country to
it's like ronald reagan. ronald reagan, yes, ronald reagan, grit debater, great communicator, but mike, you remember, everybody thought ronald reagan was crazy. jimmy carter had been saying he was going to blow up the world. ronald reagan just had to convince people that he was less like the mad hatter and more like grandpa. and the expectations were low. so romney's expectations are so low here that when he stands toe to toe with obama and beats him in a debate even by a little bit -- >>...
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. >> but ronald reagan, people forget, before the debate, ronald reagan was painted as this looney, right-wing fanatic that would start world war iii, dr. strangelove, and it was the debate that stuck a needle in that balloon. >> i remember it well. >> not even born yet. i mean, this is romney's chance. >> sure. >> to connect with the american people. >> to pick up on mike's point, fascinating number from the poll is this. 51% of people who said they had heard or read something about romney in the last couple weeks said what they had heard or read made them think more negatively about him. more positively, that number was 48%. they've heard him going into this debate. this provides them a chance to say, listen, that guy you saw in the video, that's not me. i'm a different type of person. he can reset in that sense. i'm sort of with al on this. i spent a lot of time over the past week watching all of romney's debates from 2002. i watched every single debate. there were five of them. i read hundreds of clips in 2002. he was against a democrat. >> you really should get a life. >> i know, it's pat
. >> but ronald reagan, people forget, before the debate, ronald reagan was painted as this looney, right-wing fanatic that would start world war iii, dr. strangelove, and it was the debate that stuck a needle in that balloon. >> i remember it well. >> not even born yet. i mean, this is romney's chance. >> sure. >> to connect with the american people. >> to pick up on mike's point, fascinating number from the poll is this. 51% of people who said they had...
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ronald reagan, the speeches that ronald reagan gave for ge in the 1950s are the speeches ronald reagan gave on the campaign trail in 1976, in 1980, and 1984, and at the republican national convention at 1988 when he said good-bye to america. the same speech. and these guys, michael steele, these guys can't deliver the same speech like a week apart. it is maddening how undiscipl e undisciplined they are. >> well, i think that's the core of it right there. and the messaging has been the enemy of the party, i think, since really last year. and this ability to -- the inability to communicate what you believe and how you're going to move the country forward, i think has been a large driver here. you've seen -- seen it reflected in the fact you have a slow or low turnout in republicans, who were juiced coming into the cycle, you know, to do this campaign to defeat the president. and yet we can't seem to be getting them to get to the polls. and a lot of that is the messaging. how these candidates are communicating. and i thought it was well put, you know, if santorum had taken that big speech
ronald reagan, the speeches that ronald reagan gave for ge in the 1950s are the speeches ronald reagan gave on the campaign trail in 1976, in 1980, and 1984, and at the republican national convention at 1988 when he said good-bye to america. the same speech. and these guys, michael steele, these guys can't deliver the same speech like a week apart. it is maddening how undiscipl e undisciplined they are. >> well, i think that's the core of it right there. and the messaging has been the...
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this is not lbj's america, this is ronald reagan's america. there was a blip on the chart in 2008 because of a bad -- i would say because of eight fumbled years by a republican white house and then a crisis. >> and also because the democratic nominee in 2008 ran a center right cultural campaign. >> right. >> this was not a nominee who talked about gay marriage, this was not a nominee to talked about guns. >> he didn't run giving anyone the idea he'd run up as much in deficit as he got shot. have you talked about balancing the budget. look what he said to dal -- he sounded a lot like paul ryan. >> they don't like changes debt and they don't like -- >> if we're going to have the now famous adult conversation, it's a very narrow channel. >> you got to get in it. >> it's a very narrow channel. and romney has to, as mark was saying, has to figure out what he's going to say about ryan. if this becomes obama versus ryan -- >> but the question that he got from the reporter was a perfect opportunity to save the future of of this country. >> and he's be
this is not lbj's america, this is ronald reagan's america. there was a blip on the chart in 2008 because of a bad -- i would say because of eight fumbled years by a republican white house and then a crisis. >> and also because the democratic nominee in 2008 ran a center right cultural campaign. >> right. >> this was not a nominee who talked about gay marriage, this was not a nominee to talked about guns. >> he didn't run giving anyone the idea he'd run up as much in...
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ronald reagan was conservative, jeb bush, conservative. just because these candidates that attack barack obama are shrill does not make them conservative and sadly that is something that this party hasn't figured out quite yet. >> well, crazy doesn't win. there's a difference between conservative and clown-like, and this field certainly hasn't made that differentiation very clear. i've always been confused by your party. it does seem very convoluted right now, and the loss of jon huntsman. >> well, thank -- if only, mike barnicle, my party could be as organized as the democratic party has been over the past 30 or 40 years. come on. they're all crazy. the fact of the matter is, mike, this year is the first year that republicans have not been as orderly as let's say in the past where -- where the republican party nomination process is always like this -- hold on, hold on, i haven't seen you in the club yet. you get to the back of the line, and you lose and your time will come and we'll let you win. that may still happen with mitt romney, mik
ronald reagan was conservative, jeb bush, conservative. just because these candidates that attack barack obama are shrill does not make them conservative and sadly that is something that this party hasn't figured out quite yet. >> well, crazy doesn't win. there's a difference between conservative and clown-like, and this field certainly hasn't made that differentiation very clear. i've always been confused by your party. it does seem very convoluted right now, and the loss of jon...
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reagan and ronald reagan was our president and mitt romney is no ronald reagan. and i just don't see that analogy of this being -- this may be a late breaking campaign but it doesn't feel as though this race has that kind of freight and level of gravity. joe, you've talked about this a lot, in terms of '80 versus where we are now. however profound the choices are we're facing, it just does not seem romney is an historical actor on that scale. the other thing you all are saying is exactly right. when you talk to republicans in private, they will say we're not sure we can make this. you talk to democrats in private they'll say we'll just get over the line. insofar as there's candor behind the scenes, that's an interesting refrain. >> having said that, we are facing profound choices and the hope is that this becomes the campaign about something rather than nothing and that is does get exciting. thi i think it could. >> lots of luck with that. i think it going to get smaller and smaller. as the 30-second ads start. >> i don't know. i think the time is going to come f
reagan and ronald reagan was our president and mitt romney is no ronald reagan. and i just don't see that analogy of this being -- this may be a late breaking campaign but it doesn't feel as though this race has that kind of freight and level of gravity. joe, you've talked about this a lot, in terms of '80 versus where we are now. however profound the choices are we're facing, it just does not seem romney is an historical actor on that scale. the other thing you all are saying is exactly right....
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reagan biography about tip o'neill and ronald reagan. and maybe the defining moment of that relationship, reeves writes that after the marines were killed in beirut, tip o'neill called together a meeting at hc-5, got all the democrats down together. they thought he was going to give a political speech. instead tip o'neill said to the democrats gathered there, while the barracks were still smoldering, he said, you know, today we're not democrats. today we're americans. and if any of you speak out against the president of the united states, you're not going to have ronny reagan to have to deal with. you're going to have tip o'neill to deal with. and reeves -- richard reeves said that the democrats followed tip o'neill's leadership. and when the time came, they criticized ronald reagan. but they did it in time. these were two old irish politicians that knew how to work together, even though they disagreed as fundamentally as possible. >> what we need is more people on both sides of the aisle like that. and before we go to a break, mark mcki
reagan biography about tip o'neill and ronald reagan. and maybe the defining moment of that relationship, reeves writes that after the marines were killed in beirut, tip o'neill called together a meeting at hc-5, got all the democrats down together. they thought he was going to give a political speech. instead tip o'neill said to the democrats gathered there, while the barracks were still smoldering, he said, you know, today we're not democrats. today we're americans. and if any of you speak...
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reagan did that, was a great communicator, mitt romney is not, so perhaps ronald reagan would do very well and greg shirry's critique attacks like this from jeb bush are what we're seeing from the democratic party right now, which is too much in party fighting which is not what the republicans need. we're seeing this from various corners from the republican party and greg is saying enough with this reagan talk and whether reagan would win now. thinks a good case ronald reagan would win in today's republican party. >> that argument was made on the air. i don't buy it. what do you think is going on? the party? everyone denies it. very key people are saying it. >> i was very close, not necessarily personally with jeb, but certainly when jeb was governor of florida and we were in constant communication. i was a huge supporter of his. jeb was one of the most conservative rulers i've seen, governors i've ever seen. he fought on vouchers. it was a war, i mean tallahassee was shut down, he won florida, a battle on affirmative action, he fought republicans on spending, he was the conservative'
reagan did that, was a great communicator, mitt romney is not, so perhaps ronald reagan would do very well and greg shirry's critique attacks like this from jeb bush are what we're seeing from the democratic party right now, which is too much in party fighting which is not what the republicans need. we're seeing this from various corners from the republican party and greg is saying enough with this reagan talk and whether reagan would win now. thinks a good case ronald reagan would win in...
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i thought it was terrible that ronald reagan fired the patco people. reassured the re-election. not because people are anti-union but a guy to stand up and do what -- >> imagine that move which was a courageous move today. make that move today and the scrutiny and the pulling apart and the ripping of it. >> look what they tweeted -- look what they tweeted -- >> a lot easier. >> it is true. >> to get that done when you are not, you know, when the locusts do not descend upon any -- >> you know, i unfortunately, i'm on twitter. i could literally sit here and look at the camera saying two plus two equals four and have 50 people tweet me i'm a gop shill. gene, do you think president obama will be one of the most courageous presidents in the history? i think he will. sheer force of will. he's done it. >> you can make that argument. >> make a bracelet. >> wait for history and 50 years. >> listen. all i know is bob kerry running for the senate in nebraska and i asked him once, how long do you think it would take to really revamp the social security system, make it solvent, eliminate mos
i thought it was terrible that ronald reagan fired the patco people. reassured the re-election. not because people are anti-union but a guy to stand up and do what -- >> imagine that move which was a courageous move today. make that move today and the scrutiny and the pulling apart and the ripping of it. >> look what they tweeted -- look what they tweeted -- >> a lot easier. >> it is true. >> to get that done when you are not, you know, when the locusts do not...
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go back ronald reagan we always talk about ronald reagan's historic landslide in 1980. mika you do breakdown from 1980 and put that in last night's voting group, and ronald reagan would have lost in a landslide. it is a new republican party. this is something that george w. bush and jeb bush s in they warned republicans ajçbout it for some time. and last night, they paid a heavy price for not listening. >> they paid the hard it is a race you could argue they should have won. >> oh, my gosh. seriously? we had to work overtime do this! left everything on the field? really? >> no. >> not even close! >> they pushed itarther away. >> what does tch -- if you remember what first undo the obama health care substantively in your mind offmewhat and with so many other important issues including the fiscal cliff, but does affordable care act, the supreme court has spoken, the voters have spoken does this mean that we accept it as law? >> i think so. >> politically. >> i tedges. >> but they were going to. >> you to happen over the next four years. you only have to go back to see wh
go back ronald reagan we always talk about ronald reagan's historic landslide in 1980. mika you do breakdown from 1980 and put that in last night's voting group, and ronald reagan would have lost in a landslide. it is a new republican party. this is something that george w. bush and jeb bush s in they warned republicans ajçbout it for some time. and last night, they paid a heavy price for not listening. >> they paid the hard it is a race you could argue they should have won. >> oh,...
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all i would do is show mitt romney saying that he wasn't a ronald reagan -- he wasn't a reagan conservative, he wasn't a republican, show him saying that he would fight like hell to defend abortion in massachusetts, saying he would fight like hell to defend gay marriage talking about gun control. that's the stupidity of this attack. if you just run those arguments. you take 15 points off of mitt romney in south carolina. >> joe, one last thing on bain capital. the best defense is roll out on the people they invested in. they were the sports authority, they were like you said, pizza hut. these are companies that americans can relate to. it's nothing that's not voodoo, not black magic. >> mitt romney spent part of his time yesterday trying to fend off these attacks that his work at bain led to thousands of americans losing their jobs. >> i think any time a job is lost, it's a tragedy. for the family, for the individual that loses a job, it's just devastating. and every time that we invested in the business it was to try and encourage that business to have ongoing life. the idea of making a sh
all i would do is show mitt romney saying that he wasn't a ronald reagan -- he wasn't a reagan conservative, he wasn't a republican, show him saying that he would fight like hell to defend abortion in massachusetts, saying he would fight like hell to defend gay marriage talking about gun control. that's the stupidity of this attack. if you just run those arguments. you take 15 points off of mitt romney in south carolina. >> joe, one last thing on bain capital. the best defense is roll out...
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just like you heard democrats say after ronald reagan passed away, oh, back when ronald reagan -- he was a good republican. but you look at hillary and bill and you go from '93/ '94 when it was the middle -- these guys have progressed to a -- this new place nobody would have imagined. >> the good democrat that republicans admire who did the biggest tax increase in history. >> and you've got -- >> without a single republican vote. and who then went on a health care crusade in which there was a conscience, conscience choice made to not try to get any republican votes which is part of why the whole thing collapsed. so there was -- this notion, the compromise was great and it's necessary, but there wasn't really that much of it during the clinton administration. as that speech would have suggested. he couldn't stand up there and say, here's all the models of where i compromised successfully with republicans. >> certainly not in '93 and '94. >> the world trade agreement and nafta, two things no one in that audience wants to hear about, bill clinton did that with republicans in the first t
just like you heard democrats say after ronald reagan passed away, oh, back when ronald reagan -- he was a good republican. but you look at hillary and bill and you go from '93/ '94 when it was the middle -- these guys have progressed to a -- this new place nobody would have imagined. >> the good democrat that republicans admire who did the biggest tax increase in history. >> and you've got -- >> without a single republican vote. and who then went on a health care crusade in...
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i do agree with you that when you look back after the tragic shooting of ronald reagan and jim brady campaign and the progress that was made off of that tragedy, i think you want good things to come from tragedies. you want to make the best of a terrible situation. and i do agree with the mayor, i think it's time for both the presidential candidates to say where they are on this issue and hopefully make some progress on it. it's inexcusable we as a country could be in this position. >> it's so interesting, joe, when you look at these cases, the mental health aspects of it, you could list issues with this young man that clearly should be warning signs but they always seem so clear in retrospect, don't they? >> there's no doubt about it, and, you know, i looked at the virginia tech shooter, i look at this shooter, so many shooters like this are young males. in fact, before, of course, you don't -- you don't want to generalize, but as soon as i heard about this shooting, i knew who it was. i knew it with you a young, white male, probably from an affluent neighborhood, disconnected from
i do agree with you that when you look back after the tragic shooting of ronald reagan and jim brady campaign and the progress that was made off of that tragedy, i think you want good things to come from tragedies. you want to make the best of a terrible situation. and i do agree with the mayor, i think it's time for both the presidential candidates to say where they are on this issue and hopefully make some progress on it. it's inexcusable we as a country could be in this position. >>...
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reagan or fdr. there just doesn't seem to be the joy in these guys either on the campaign trail or when they're governing. they seem to be -- well, at least the two running this time, george w. bush, he just didn't seem to like politics and he'll still tell you he doesn't really like politics a whole lot. >> they're competitive without being cheerful, i think, is one thing about this particular group. i think what mark said is exactly right, that politicians get in trouble when they act as though they're pundits or color commentators. you think about obama -- he wandered into the truth in that editorial meeting in washington state in 2008 when he said that reagan was transformative but clinton wasn't. however true that might be, it's just the wrong time to say it. >> you can say it on a groundskeeping company, you can't say it on the campaign trail. >>> he joins his children to watch a new youtube channel aimed at inspiring growing change. our conversation with the chopras is coming up this hour. >>
reagan or fdr. there just doesn't seem to be the joy in these guys either on the campaign trail or when they're governing. they seem to be -- well, at least the two running this time, george w. bush, he just didn't seem to like politics and he'll still tell you he doesn't really like politics a whole lot. >> they're competitive without being cheerful, i think, is one thing about this particular group. i think what mark said is exactly right, that politicians get in trouble when they act...
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ronald reagan talked about we don't have political enemies but political opponents. we were never able to look at each other as each o''s emmys. now we have a generation of politicians who honest to god look across the aisle and see the differences. they don't see us as americans. they do view each other as enemies and it's having a terrible, terrible impact in being able to govern the country. we have to focus on how to make this country more competitive in ten years, 20 years. >> it's going to be hard. steve schmidt? >> i think it's fast naying that john heilemann owes five emmys to steve's very existence. >> thank you, thank you steve, thank you very much. it's a great column. >> some man love going on. frank, that's great. thank you so much. >>> up next. they just received their star on hollywood walk of fame. we'll talk to two members of the legendary band heart next on "morning joe." if we want to improve our schools... ...what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ...nothing transfor
ronald reagan talked about we don't have political enemies but political opponents. we were never able to look at each other as each o''s emmys. now we have a generation of politicians who honest to god look across the aisle and see the differences. they don't see us as americans. they do view each other as enemies and it's having a terrible, terrible impact in being able to govern the country. we have to focus on how to make this country more competitive in ten years, 20 years. >> it's...
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>> to paraphrase ronald reagan, there's so many manure around here, there has to be pony someplace. i think common sense takes over. nobody wants the taxes on 98% of the american people to go up. >> richard wolf, you are in washington d.c., the capital of incompetent this morning. >> yeah. >> senator reid used a phrase that has nothing to do with being a republican or democrat at this stage, i don't think, for a lot of people. the phrase he used is the american people don't understand blah, blah, blah what's going on. the american people i would submit don't understand how these people cannot do their jobs that they're elected to. so i'm wondering what's your take on what's going on in washington? you're sitting in washington. >> right. the at least we have bipartisan agreement it's all nuts, right? everyone agrees this is ridiculous and in spite of what they say, they've been talking about it for months and years and there was ample talk about what a framework should be through the election, which wasn't that long ago. there's plenty of debate. to tie the two stories we have been t
>> to paraphrase ronald reagan, there's so many manure around here, there has to be pony someplace. i think common sense takes over. nobody wants the taxes on 98% of the american people to go up. >> richard wolf, you are in washington d.c., the capital of incompetent this morning. >> yeah. >> senator reid used a phrase that has nothing to do with being a republican or democrat at this stage, i don't think, for a lot of people. the phrase he used is the american people...
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i wasn't a republican when ronald reagan was in the white house. with all of these things, you've got newt gingrich and rick perry channelling teddy kennedy and using the same line of attack against mitt romney that teddy kennedy did so many years ago. >> yeah. i think to my mind, every primary ends up being less pleasant than people want it to be within the given party. the phone call at 3:00 a.m. being the great -- turns out he's pretty good at the 3:00 a.m. phone call, it's everything else that's a little weak. >> yeah, exactly. >> i think this in particular is -- has a lot of intermural damage. romney isn't defined. it's not as though people know him and therefore this is one more fact. people don't really know him. >> and let's talk about the effect of the super pacs. newt gingrich gets a $5 million check from a man who is obsessed with one thing. and that is beating barack obama in november. and yet, that man might as well -- and i'm dead serious, he might as well have written a check to david axelrod himself and said use this $5 million for
i wasn't a republican when ronald reagan was in the white house. with all of these things, you've got newt gingrich and rick perry channelling teddy kennedy and using the same line of attack against mitt romney that teddy kennedy did so many years ago. >> yeah. i think to my mind, every primary ends up being less pleasant than people want it to be within the given party. the phone call at 3:00 a.m. being the great -- turns out he's pretty good at the 3:00 a.m. phone call, it's everything...
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you don't -- ronald reagan didn't love tip o'neill. tip o'neill didn't love ronald reagan, but they knew to govern -- >> they didn't hate each other. >> yeah. i mean, as lincoln said in his first inaugural, although passion may divide us, let it not break the bonds of our affection. and i would say you don't have to be affectionate or love one another, but the respect that comes out of being a politician in the best sense of the word rather than campaigning all the time, it's kabuki. it's become kabuki. it's political theater. ordinary people think it's crazy. it has become to the point of craziness. yeah. >> let's talk about respect. there are two different types of respect as well. there's personal respect and political respect. tip o'neill did not respect ronald reagan politically. he said some downright ugly things about the man and his ability to run the country. ronald reagan didn't really respect tip o'neill's viewpoints. he said some nasty things about tip o'neill. but personally, they figured out how to get along, and they did
you don't -- ronald reagan didn't love tip o'neill. tip o'neill didn't love ronald reagan, but they knew to govern -- >> they didn't hate each other. >> yeah. i mean, as lincoln said in his first inaugural, although passion may divide us, let it not break the bonds of our affection. and i would say you don't have to be affectionate or love one another, but the respect that comes out of being a politician in the best sense of the word rather than campaigning all the time, it's...
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the greatest example of this is ronald reagan who was a new dealer with fdr and a union leader out in hollywood. he moved in the '50s and '60s to the right. so that's fine. the move to the right is fine. but nobody down tubted in 1964 ronald reagan gave that speech for barry gold water whether he was dancing by numbers or whether he felt it in his core, in his heart, in his soul. there is not a speech that i have heard mitt romney give on free enterprise, on lower taxes, on lower regulation, on economic growth, on hope, on prosperity, on the things that make conservative dorks like me get excited and stand up at conventions and cheer and say, this guy has to win! if we want america to be greater. i have never heard one of those speeches from mitt romney, and neither have any other conservatives in america. here, though, is the great irony about i think -- well, perhaps not an irony, but, you know, nixon always said go to the right and then go to the middle in the general election. look over the past 25, 30 years, even 40 years. i have said it before. the mainstream media is always hor
the greatest example of this is ronald reagan who was a new dealer with fdr and a union leader out in hollywood. he moved in the '50s and '60s to the right. so that's fine. the move to the right is fine. but nobody down tubted in 1964 ronald reagan gave that speech for barry gold water whether he was dancing by numbers or whether he felt it in his core, in his heart, in his soul. there is not a speech that i have heard mitt romney give on free enterprise, on lower taxes, on lower regulation, on...
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after ford lost, you had a swing to the more conservative ronald reagan. more proposition, i'm speculating on what would happen if either won the nomination and lost to obama. if romney wins the nomination and loses to obama, it strengthens the hand of cultural warriors, pop list tea partiers. if santorum loses the race to obama, it strengthens the hands of conservatives. it strengthens the hands of chris christie and jeb bush who can come back and bring the party back to the winnable, not the center. >> and we're not talking ideology. jeb bush is not a centrist. jeb bush is a conservative. chris jentry is a conservative. >> but they're left of rick santorum. >> jeb bush would never vote for $7 million drug benefit plan without paying for it. i know jeb bush. i didn't know that was the right/left position. i thought it was more of a 20th century position versus a 19th century stay on the farm and help me position. >> coming next, the early days of the presidency. a new book looks at the players involved in crafting the $800 billion stimulus plan and ask wh
after ford lost, you had a swing to the more conservative ronald reagan. more proposition, i'm speculating on what would happen if either won the nomination and lost to obama. if romney wins the nomination and loses to obama, it strengthens the hand of cultural warriors, pop list tea partiers. if santorum loses the race to obama, it strengthens the hands of conservatives. it strengthens the hands of chris christie and jeb bush who can come back and bring the party back to the winnable, not the...
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i'm not comparing newt to ronald reagan or george w. bush, but reagan had this way of making conservatives stand and go, yeah! you people in manhattan don't understand, you people in georgetown don't understand. screw you, right? let me continue. >> yeah -- >> george w. bush, and i promise, and it wasn't just me that said this. when somebody put a "w" on the back of their car in 2000, you know what that was equivalent of? sticking your finger up at the elites who said he was too stupid to be president and everybody that voted for him hated science. everybody that voted for him didn't believe in evolution. i think maureen said he was going to take us back to the dark ages, gary wills said that -- >> okay. bring it in for a landing. >> no, you need to understand this resentment. >> okay. >> i still remember this eight years later. gary wills saying that when you elect george w. bush, then as a country you have more in common with al qaeda than the european allies? this sort of resentment is something that i still feel as a conservative. i
i'm not comparing newt to ronald reagan or george w. bush, but reagan had this way of making conservatives stand and go, yeah! you people in manhattan don't understand, you people in georgetown don't understand. screw you, right? let me continue. >> yeah -- >> george w. bush, and i promise, and it wasn't just me that said this. when somebody put a "w" on the back of their car in 2000, you know what that was equivalent of? sticking your finger up at the elites who said he...
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who is the ronald reagan? >> well, there is no ronald reagan. >> okay. who's the george h.w. bush? >> i would settle for michael reagan at this point. >> i will tell you this -- >> it's mitt romney. >> i know this sounds crazy. but if i'm looking at the field right now, i'm telling newt gingrich, keep your head down, don't blow yourself up in iowa because there's going to be a lot of teeth gnashing and weeping after the guy that's got a 24% ceiling wins iowa. and the conservative split. because everybody's going to start looking saying, okay, who is the conservative? we're not going to allow a guy that has the 24% of the moderates in the republican party voting for him while this conservative party pushes another let's say gerald ford to the finish line. >> most of the scenarios -- >> and by the way, i need to explain this. this isn't necessarily what i feel. i know i need to explain this. i'm telling you as i have predicted crazy never wins in the republican party and it doesn't. but the republican party just like i said when newt gingrich was at 38%, 39% wasn't going to stand for
who is the ronald reagan? >> well, there is no ronald reagan. >> okay. who's the george h.w. bush? >> i would settle for michael reagan at this point. >> i will tell you this -- >> it's mitt romney. >> i know this sounds crazy. but if i'm looking at the field right now, i'm telling newt gingrich, keep your head down, don't blow yourself up in iowa because there's going to be a lot of teeth gnashing and weeping after the guy that's got a 24% ceiling wins iowa....
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reagan versus jimmy carter. >> it's a game of inches here. >> ronald reagan versus gerald ford in 1976. a campaign you can get really excited about. it's just not huge differences. by the way, i can say without a doubt that if mitt romney were sitting in barack obama's chair, on january 20th, he would have done a lot of the same things on the bailouts, a lot of the same things with detroit, he just would have. you know why? because george w. bush -- >> did a lot -- >> basically did the same things. he wouldn't have gone forward -- actually, he may have gone forward to health care because the "usa today" op-ed in 2009 told barack obama you need to have an vidindividual mandate. >> there's not a big difference between these two guys. for my republican friends that get mad when i say that, go look at his record. it's right there. he's not a conservative. >> look, i mean how he governed in massachusetts. the health care law was the predecessor for obama care, right? romney came in, inherited a bad economic situation, talked about how he had to turn it around which is what obama is doing. h
reagan versus jimmy carter. >> it's a game of inches here. >> ronald reagan versus gerald ford in 1976. a campaign you can get really excited about. it's just not huge differences. by the way, i can say without a doubt that if mitt romney were sitting in barack obama's chair, on january 20th, he would have done a lot of the same things on the bailouts, a lot of the same things with detroit, he just would have. you know why? because george w. bush -- >> did a lot -- >>...
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my god, you would have thought that i had knocked over a bust of ronald reagan. i'm not done. i've got a long list here. >> that's your problem. >> this is not about me. this is important to say. nobody was saying this, and they weren't saying this for a reason. right after the convention. i did a series of tweets, huffington post mutt it uput it they said romney's team's in trouble. they need to turn it around. it's slipping out of their grip quickly. they're in trouble. then finally the libyan press conference that he gave that was such a disaster, the next morning, i went out, i said, this is the worst thing, mark stein at "national review" and all these other people went crazy talking about how i was a rhino and i was this. it was stupidity. then they decided to come at us saying we doctored a tape and obsessed for a week over two seconds where we felt they said ryan, they thought they said romney. so while all of these conspiracy theories are spewing on the right and the conservative entertainment complex, barack obama's team is organizing. and they're targeting. and inst
my god, you would have thought that i had knocked over a bust of ronald reagan. i'm not done. i've got a long list here. >> that's your problem. >> this is not about me. this is important to say. nobody was saying this, and they weren't saying this for a reason. right after the convention. i did a series of tweets, huffington post mutt it uput it they said romney's team's in trouble. they need to turn it around. it's slipping out of their grip quickly. they're in trouble. then...